A wide-ranging conversation with Joe Nocera

New York Times reporter Joe Nocera and I taped this interesting episode of the Pickens Podcast shortly after our joint appearance at the Texas Tribune Festival. This is a wide-ranging conversation with a little focus on natural gas.

For a recent Times article, Joe and I talked about how I approach risk – and how I have my whole life. In this podcast, Joe asked me about the effect of natural gas selling for about $2.80 per thousand cubic feet (Mcf). When we started the Pickens Plan back in 2008, it was at $12.70 per Mcf.

If we could have gotten the NatGas Act passed back in 2013 and 2014, which provided a tax credit – not a subsidy – for truckers to move to natural gas, we would be sowing the fruits today.

One of the biggest problems we face is that there is not a single point of responsibility for energy policy. We have a Department of Energy, but we also have the Commerce Department, State Department, Interior Department, EPA, Congress, and the White House, all of which have a say in different segments of oil exploration, imports and exports, production, refining, and transmission.

I think you’ll find this conversation interesting and fun. It’s also a good summary on where we have been and where we are now on energy.

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Jan 16 2017

How to Make America Great Again with Domestic Energy Resources

Jan 16, 2017

Forecasting the future is always risky and never easy, but I suppose I’m no stranger to it and my approach is always the same. I listen to smart people, learn everything I can, take stock of what I know, and the use the judgement I’ve built from experience to make a bet.

Over a lifetime in business I’ve had to make a lot of tough calls – right and wrong, and many of them very public. Good calls have made me a lot of money, and I’ve lost my ass on the bad ones.

Fortunately, I’ve been right more often than I’ve been wrong.

However, at 88-years-old, I’m not as concerned with being right about the future as I am with making it better. That’s why I launched The Pickens Plan eight and a half years ago. I knew then I had more history behind me than I did ahead, but I made it my mission to help break our nation’s historic and dangerous dependence on OPEC oil that threatens our economy, our environment and our national security.

Since then, we’ve seen an incredible increase in domestic oil and natural gas production. The incredible ingenuity and innovation of private industry has led to a continued decline not just in the price of natural gas, and American crude oil, but of wind and solar electricity as well. These stunning gains have been achieved despite continued foot-dragging in Washington.

We are still a long way from securing our nation’s energy future and are not without risk of failing. The domestic energy industry has lost nearly a quarter of a million American jobs since its recent peak, and OPEC continues working to maintain control of the market.

America is in the midst of an energy renaissance, and President Trump will have the opportunity to set the nation on a course toward self-sufficiency – our situation is good. Instead of predictions about the future, I offer my advice on how to make it great.

I suggest President Trump pursue an energy plan with two parts:

1. Don’t screw up what we have going for us.

2. Don’t settle for what we’ve done so far.


1. Clarity in who makes energy decisions. Currently, decisions about energy are spread out among the President, the Department of Energy, the State Department, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Commerce and the U.S. Congress, to name just a few.

2. Promote hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling. There are about 30 oil and natural gas producing states in America. In each of them, fracking has led to an increase in American production to nearly 9.5 million barrels of oil a day of oil, and has increased known recoverable natural gas reserves enough to make the U.S. the world’s leader – more than Qatar, more than Russia, more than Saudi Arabia.

3. Work with industry, not against it. Federal and state agencies should have a policy of working with the oil and gas industry to improve any safety or environmental issues rather than unilaterally imposing new regulations without understanding the full effects, or punishing the industry with new taxes to pay for programs that have nothing to do with energy production.

4. Meet our own energy needs before worrying about other countries. Don’t export oil or natural gas. The best way we can help Europe escape the yoke of dependence on Russian natural gas, and help Mexico maximize its oil resources is by exporting our technology and expertise.


OPEC is on the run, but they’re playing the long game. They’ve shown they are willing to risk everything to control as much of the world’s oil supply as they can. We still rely on foreign nations for more than six million barrels of oil a day. As long as we remain so dependent, we’re playing OPEC’s game. We need to not just match, but beat OPEC in looking at the long-term. How do we do that?

1. Work with our allies Mexico and Canada to establish a North American Energy Alliance to create an energy powerhouse that will never have to bow to the demands of OPEC again. We can start with approving the building of the Keystone XL pipeline to safely and economically transport Canadian oil to refineries in the U.S. rather than forcing the Canadians to ship that oil to China.

2. Modernize government fleets. Federal, state, county and local fleets should be looking for ways to save taxpayer money, strengthen our economy, and reduce pollution by leading the way in the changeover from gasoline and diesel powered vehicles to cars and light trucks that run on competing fuels that are cheaper and cleaner. The transportation fuels marketplace shouldn’t be monopolistic. Decisions about government fleets should be decided by competitive bidding with full life cycle costs factored in when considering competing technologies. If they did, taxpayer-supported fleets would catch up to the utility, express delivery, and other private sector companies with vehicles that go “home to the barn” every night for central natural gas refueling. In addition to the obvious benefit of lowering costs to taxpayers, the additional demand for natural gas vehicles (NGVs) by government fleets will drive down the cost of manufacturing and increase the rate of innovation for governments and consumers alike.

3. Build the electrical grid of the future. Electric vehicles aren’t going to replace oil and the internal combustion engine overnight. But renewable energy sources have a lot of potential, and we need a power grid capable of connecting those vehicles and everything else to the next generation of electricity generation. A grid designed to protect America against cyber or physical attacks and to promote efficiencies in home, commercial and industrial usage.

4. Continue to research and develop new sources of energy. Wind and solar prices are going to continue to drop, and the middle of America is the “Saudi Arabia of Wind.” States like Iowa have embraced wind energy and off-shore wind turbines are fast becoming commercially viable.

5. Remember: Energy is not a free market. Market forces are constantly being manipulated by central governments around the world which control about 70 percent of all oil production. America’s military protects Middle Eastern oil, costing American taxpayers tens of billions of dollars a year to ensure Europe, India, and China have secure access to oil supplies. The true cost of imported oil is not reflected at the pump. Governments pick energy winners and losers all the time whether it’s serving as the world’s oil police or providing natural gas to Central and Eastern Europe or subsidizing ethanol in the United States. It is time that we pick a winner, too: The United States of America.

This article is part of the LinkedIn Top Voices list, a collection of the must-read writers of the year. Check out more #BigIdeas2017 here.

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Dec 14 2016

Statement from T. Boone Pickens on Former Texas Governor as Pick for U.S. Secretary of Energy

Dec 14, 2016

For immediate release
December 14, 2016
Contact: Jay Rosser,

Statement from T. Boone Pickens on Former Texas Governor as Pick for U.S. Secretary of Energy

Rick Perry is a friend. He was a great Texas governor, and I believe he will be a great Secretary of Energy.

Believe me, the man understands energy. He’s been a long-serving Texas governor who has witnessed first-hand what natural gas and oil mean to the state and national economies and the workforce.

He also presided over Texas during a time in which deregulation and transmission projects enabled wind energy production in the state to grow from 184 megawatts of installed capacity in the year 2000 to over 14,000 megawatts at the end of 2014. Texas continues to be the largest producer of wind energy with now over 17,700 megawatts of installed capacity followed by Iowa with 6,200 megawatts of wind energy.

He understands what happens to the oil and gas industry with too much government regulation and he understands how important domestic production is to our economy and our national security.

In accepting this role, I’m hopeful Rick will inject a dose of reality to an agency that has for far too long focused on research of energy resources that can be employed decades from now and not pursuing policies that can take advantage of America’s rich energy resources today.

In taking the job, I hope Rick recognizes that with five key factors we can “Make America Great Again” on the back of our nation’s expanding supplies of oil and natural gas and how it can be used to address our national security and economic concerns.

First, we must assign clear accountability for energy decisions.

Second, we must inject real fuel competition into the transportation mix.

Third, we should focus on meeting our own energy needs before we worry about other countries.

Fourth, we should pursue a North American Energy Alliance.

Fifth, we should remember that, globally, energy is not a free market.


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Nov 2 2016

We Can’t Ignore the Importance of Energy. Thankfully Senator Burr Isn’t.

Nov 2, 2016

The price of gasoline and oil is low, so we don’t need to worry about energy policy, right?


Smart energy policy is more important now than ever. And two significant things happened recently that warrant greater attention.

First, the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, better known as OPEC, announced its member countries agreed to slow production to bring the global price of oil up.

The OPEC oil cartel is made up of 14 member countries — including Iran, Libya, Algeria, Venezuela and Saudi Arabia. But not the U.S. The Saudis alone control one-third of the world’s daily oil production. With their cartel brethren, these countries get together and set production limits to control the price of oil for everyone, including us. Many of them are hardly friendly to our national security interests.

That’s scary because we depend upon OPEC for about one-third of the oil we need every day. As I’ve been saying for years — our dependence on OPEC oil forms the intersection of the three most critical issues we currently face: the economy, the environment, and our national security.

OPEC’s recent decision affects all three of these issues.

More recently, the Paris Climate Agreement was ratified and will take effect starting November 4, 2016. Coupled with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) stricter greenhouse gas (GHG) rules for heavy-duty trucks, we have to make some significant cuts to our emissions.

Unlike many other countries, we have a solution: American natural gas.

We’re blessed to have a supply of natural gas that can solve all of our problems for generations to come, and break the cycle of our independence on foreign oil. We can use it in energy production to supplement increasing reliance on solar and wind energies.

More importantly, natural gas can power any kind of vehicle, and is the only alternative to diesel in heavy-duty trucking use (no, neither electric nor ethanol can do it).

Vehicles powered by natural gas generally emit 13–21 percent fewer GHG emissions on a well-to-wheels basis than their gasoline and diesel counterparts do. And if these vehicles are using renewable natural gas, we’ll see up to a 90 percent reduction in carbon emissions.

That matters to many North Carolinians: Cummins Westport, a leader in bringing new, exciting engine technologies to the transportation industry, manufactures natural gas-powered engines at its plant in Rocky Mount.

They just started production of the ISL G Near Zero (NZ) NOx natural gas engine in Rocky Mount. This near zero emissions engine is a game changer. Imagine what will happen when it is used in transit vehicles, school buses and refuse trucks across North Carolina. The benefit to the local environment will be tremendous.

That success story is one of the many things that excites me about our ability to better leverage our abundance of cleaner, American natural gas. We just need to ensure we’re working to get more of these kinds of vehicles on America’s roads through smart tax policy and regulations. Good thing U.S. Senator Richard Burr has been a leader in that space for years.

This time of the year is about being “loud.” We raise the volume of certain things to bring attention to issues that some believe will resonate most strongly. Accordingly, it’s easy to miss a steady drumbeat that’s been playing in the background. In doing so, it’s easy to miss the most important thing of all.

That’s what I think has been happening on energy.

I’ve been in the energy business for more than six decades. I’ve seen it all—booms and busts. And I believe we can once and for all break the cycle of dependence while contributing to a cleaner future.

In March 2012, Senator Burr gave an impassioned speech on the Senate floor in support of legislation that would leverage the power of domestic natural gas as a replacement for foreign, imported oil. He’s been a continued champion for breaking the OPEC stranglehold, maximizing the environmental benefits of natural gas, and letting this American energy source lead our energy future.

That’s what our energy policy — or lack of it — needs: leaders willing to keep their eye on the ball. Leaders willing to stand up and speak up for Americans everywhere. And leaders pushing smart policy.

We can’t afford to get lost in the “louder” conversation. And I’m grateful that Senator Burr isn’t letting that happen.

Boone Pickens is creator of the Pickens Plan, a grass-roots campaign aimed at reducing this country’s crippling addiction to OPEC oil.

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