CNG Now

In response to the Pickens Plan, the group CNG Now has launched a website promoting the use of compressed natural gas in vehicles. They’ve also started running their own commercials:

(Thanks to the blog The Real Sporer for the heads-up.)

Comments14 Responses to “CNG Now”

Linda C


I saw the CNG ad this morning on CNN. In fact, in a short span of time they showed that ad, the new one on Iran, and another ad about natgas. Sorry, I can't remember the company. Excellent coverage!!

Robert Robinson


I am behind all efforts to replace our dependence on foriegn oil with alternate forms of energy. Let me know the best way I can be of help.

steve griffith


i am trying to get these conversion kits they need to make them easy to get for the do it your self person there is one site that sells it for about 2000.00 and you can do it your self the problem is no one is getting this stuff moving forward get congress off their butts maily the democrats so the REGULAR GUY AS THEY LIKE TO CALL US can get back to saving money instead of giving it to the oil companies thier time is over they need to step aside and let this happen you can bet they are in the pcoket of NANCY PELOZZI that is why she is against al of this , she needs to get voted out of office and someone who care put in there, help the little guy we can not keep paying these high prices for nothing

Moose


The single most common element in the UNIVERSE, and yet no mention of it? I speak of course of Hydrogen. Yes it takes energy to create it from water, but bottom-line it is RENEWABLE, and over time economies of scale will make it cheaper to produce. It can also be used in our inefficient combustion engines that we currently have. There are some "dubious" websites out there that sell conversion kits, but I've seen tests where Hydrogen could be used. Best part is, burning hydrogen is VERY clean.

deanleightey


hey

deanleightey


hi start with all the school buses, postal delivery trucks, police and sheriff department cars and trucks, before you try to get john q. public to switch,, just getting those four instutions to switch would save money for the tax payer and cut the import of much forgein oil, since getting the oil from US is such a bad idea

Paul Gullett


if you want you can come to my email address i get the things for hho generators cheap and i do install cheap or sell cheap let me know and is lot less than 2000

Nate Barber


The best thing going for CNG is the wide availability of natural gas across America. Nearly every US city has access to a natural gas pipeline and many Americans even have natural gas piped directly to their homes. Yes, hydrogen is probably a better bet for our nation's renewable energy future, but today hydrogen is very cost prohibitive. Conversely, we can cheaply implement CNG right now! Imagine people across the country refueling their cars in their own garages with automated compressor filling stations for consumers. Even those without natural gas piped to their homes could fill up at a CNG station that taps into a natural gas pipeline. In the end it will come down to economics, and the econoimcs of building a CNG station and supplying natural gas to it are much better than trying to build a hydrogen station and trying to supply hydrogen to it. Hydrogen is also a very small and tricky molecule to try to store. Besides, most hydrogen today is produced from methane anyway (search Steam Methane Reforming technology). Why spend the money and energy to convert methane to hydrogen now until we can more cheaply and easily store it and distribute it? Just my 2 cents ...

Edward Oliver


Kudo's!!! Keep up the good work. I am very excited, and impressed by your efforts. I am obsessed with the use of NATURAL GAS as a TRANSPORTATION FUEL because it solves so many problems in the USA, with virtually no downside. If volunteers are ever needed please email me, I'd love to help out. From Southern California with a heartfelt Thanks edward.oliver@gmail.com

Sam Unsworth


I like the idea of converting to CNG. The problem is that the conversion is cost prohivitave. The components are only sold to certified conversion specialists and can range from $2,000 to $50,000 depending on the vehicle being converted. If you manage to do your own conversionm you face the possibility of a healthy fine from the EPA for tampering with approved emission systems. Only Honda offers a factory vehicle that utilizes CNG and there are only about 800 fueling stations available right now in the USA. We need some infrastructure, education and relaxation or abolishment of government regulations to make this a viable option.

Douglas DeCaster


I started reading T Boone's just released book. It is Inspiring! Now I am researching the practicality of getting a CNG fueled car. I want to get costs and the practicality of filling up. My gasoline fired vehicle lease is up next March. Will I be able to get a reasonable alternative in CNG vs gasoline? Has anyone noticed that T Boone's PickensPlan is being quoted and plagerized in the political campaigns? Let's push with T Boone to get the results we need and overcome the jabber of Washington Bureaucrats! Pickens Plan Army member, Doug DeCaster

david


Over 20 years ago, my cousin drove a company pickup that ran on gasoline or propane( the company was a propane dealer). My questions are: is propane similar in price to natural gas? if so, then why couldn't propane conversion kits and dealers be utilized? Thanks. David

Larry M. Aden


CNG is much cheaper and slightly cleaner than Propane (C3H8). But, CNG will not remain cheap, if substantial conversion of our transportation sector to CNG occurs without equal increases in production of NG or methane (CH4) from biogas and every possible source we can make it from. We also unsustainably consume increasingly huge amounts of NG making Anhydrous Ammonia (NH3) and other industrial gases that could be more cheaply and sustainably made by electrolysis of water (H2O) and cryogenic distillation of air! Moose is absolutely right! Hydrogen (H2) is the answer and is not expensive to make if we use wind energy and other cheap off-peak electrical power during the nighttime to produce it by electrolysis from water. This relatively-efficient, low-tech solution is over 100 years old, infinitely renewable, totally carbon neutral and more profitable than reforming CH4 from NG, as two pure industrial gases are produced - Hydrogen and Oxygen (O2)! H2 can also be metered into the mix in our buried low-pressure NG pipelines at any point where it is produced, eliminating the problems in H2 distribution and the need for huge electrical transmission lines from our wind farms. Below is an in-depth Letter to the Editor in a series that I had published to help us better understand the energy problems we all face: COMMON SENSE ON ENERGY, NOW!!!, Part II I wanted to discuss how we should make use of wasted local energy resources like that biogas flame at the sewage plant and the algae from Storm Lake for bio-fuels, but the nitwits are attacking on other fronts, so I must rush to the ramparts. This won’t be short, so if you would rather not learn anything today, or you don’t want your present world view to be confused by the facts, stop reading, now! I am often fond of saying that God created every person with a special talent and their own little piece of the truth. The real trick is in finding each persons talent to employ them to their fullest, and to recognize their little piece of the truth, so that we can put it in its proper place in the jigsaw puzzle of life to recreate that picture of eternal bliss in the Garden of Eden. Sadly, not every living being is willing to lend their talent and their knowledge to this quest. For this reason, we all continue to suffer. Texas oil man, T. Boone Pickens, whose talent seems to be making money for himself, made over $1Billion speculating in oil and gas in 2005, again in 2006, $1.5B in 2007, was earlier estimated to be worth $3 Billion, but has since been instrumental in pushing crude oil beyond reason with his very public pronouncements that “oil is going to $150”. It is now hovering around $145 as he quietly sells the barrels he bought at $50, after all, he’s not greedy; he doesn’t have to have every penny of that $150! Whenever you hear a speculator say one thing, you should run the other direction! Just like when George Soros caused the devaluation of the US Dollar, when he announced to the world that he was getting out of Dollars and buying Euros. That should have been interpreted by all of us that Soros had already sold all of his Dollars and bought all the Euros he could buy. He went public, because he wanted everyone else to do the same, so he could get out of Euros near their high and buy Dollars cheap. Because Soros is rich, every fool listens to him. All the lemmings bit on this one, and rushed to dump their Dollars, stressing our economy and raising the price of food, fuel and everything we buy in the process. George only wants money and a Dem elected President, and he doesn’t care who he has to hurt to get it! Paraphrasing Josef Goebbels, Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda, “If you mix a big lie in with a little truth, and tell it often enough, you can convince everyone it is the truth.” That is what T. Boone is doing with his very expensive TV ad campaign touting PickensPlan.com to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Everything he has to say about the harm buying foreign oil is doing to our economy is absolutely true. That we should use more of our own CNG (compressed natural gas) for our autos is also true, and absolutely achievable with technology we have had for decades. That we should make more use of wind and solar energy, of course, but, that we can take Natural Gas (NG) away from electrical generation and replace that with wind and solar power shows he is either extremely ignorant of the fundamental facts about electricity, or he is trying to pull the wool over our eyes for his own profit! Call me cynical, but I am betting on the latter, as recently, Pickens has heavily invested the profits of his oil speculation into both wind and natural gas! He has also invested heavily in water rights, what should that tell us about what ‘shortage’ might develop next? I am all for anyone making money, just do it honestly, without hurting your fellow man in the process, always giving your trading partners equal fair market value. To see why Pickens’ Plan is not perfectly honest and achievable, we need to understand our energy consuming habits and needs. Electrical power providers categorize our energy demand as 3 types of “load” – base, intermediate, and peak. “Base load” is the minimum level of electrical power consumption at any one moment throughout any hour of every day of the year. This is constant demand and requires constant generating capacity, as alternating current cannot be stored, it must be used at the moment it is generated. They use hydroelectric, nuclear, and coal-fired steam turbine generating plants to provide this power, as these are cheap, constant and dependable, but cannot be started and stopped quickly to meet new load. Geothermal, ocean thermal, offshore wind, wave, and ocean current energy could also be used for this load, and these represent the only safe and inexhaustible supply of renewable energy available to us to address ‘base load’. Why does no one even mention them in this debate on what we should do about energy? Why should we build nuclear plants when we haven’t even sunk one turbine in the Gulf Stream, yet? “Intermediate load” is the demand that increases from 6AM, when the world starts to stir, to 9PM, when it starts to wind down, getting ready for bed. This happens like clock work every day, regardless of the weather, it can be planned for, so they fire the boilers in those coal-fired plants, a little harder, a little ahead of time, to bring more steam turbine generators on-line, or open another gate on a hydroelectric dam, when you and I want to shower and go to work. “Peak load” is different every day of every season, depending heavily upon the weather and variable human activity. It is normally between 12 Noon and 4PM, with space heating and air conditioning being the greatest variable in demand. This demand changes rapidly and requires instantaneous response in generating capacity from hot gas turbines, which burn NG. There is no alternative to this gas, except other more expensive gases. If we take this NG from electric companies, we will be constantly plagued with brownouts and blackouts, or see massive increases in the price of our power and fuel, or both. Wind cannot replace this power, in fact, our need for NG in electrical generation will actually increase with increased dependence on the fickle wind, as it almost never comes when we really need it. Most of the best wind comes at night, when we do not need it at all. The power companies really hate to be forced to buy wind power for 3.5cts/Kwh while shutting down coal-fired generation that costs them 1ct/Kwh. Who could blame them? Likewise, where the best wind comes, from West Texas to North Dakota, we do not have the necessary transmission lines, because there are few people living there to serve this power to. High tension interstate transmission lines are very expensive, and very intrusive! Nobody wants these monstrosities built in their back yard! What we could, and should, do is hook every alternative energy source we can find to a local load that matches it. Solar photoelectric energy is a good match for air conditioning, refrigeration, and water pumping. Demand for these always increases when the sun shines, perfect match! It is expensive, inefficient, and nearly useless for anything else. Solar heating is little better, but should be passively designed into every new building. Wind is a great match for space heating, water pumping, battery charging and other automated industrial processes that can be run when the wind blows, and shut off when it doesn’t, such as cryogenic distillation of air, hydrogen electrolysis, anhydrous ammonia (NH3) production, and other industrial gas production from these processes. Huge quantities of our precious NG are spent senselessly in manufacturing NH3 for fertilizer, when it has long been cheaper to return to the original carbon-neutral, and infinitely renewable process of making it from water and air. We must rewrite the REA charter to cover all forms of rural energy distribution, empower local REC’s to fund, sell and maintain distributed generation systems for their members, and to empower those members to sell all forms of energy directly back. Then, we must erect wind and water current turbines everywhere we can possibly put them, thousands of big ones, and millions of smaller ones between them, that we manufacture here (not expensive imports). Each can be wired into our present electrical grid without building new transmission lines. Then, we must hook each to a water electrolyzer, and a booster pump, to store the off-peak energy as Hydrogen gas (H2), putting this, along with methane (CH4) from our every hog house, poultry house, cattle feedlot, and sewage plant, into the local low-pressure NG pipelines that serve our houses, farms and industries. Underground low-pressure NG pipelines are cheap and innocuous. NG, mostly CH4, the very same biogas produced by every marsh, cow stomach, and manure pit, is compatible with both gasoline and diesel engines, and is perfectly interchangeable with propane, butane, and Hydrogen in low pressure gas systems (<300psi). These gases are extremely clean burning and can be used interchangeably in any gasoline motor with a truly flex-fuel system having an adjustable orifice. H2 and CH4 are perfectly compatible, clean, safe and infinitely renewable; they also store well and liquefy under comparable conditions, but only at very high pressures (5400psi), or very low temperatures (-253C). CNG is normally packed at 3000psi for auto fuel, which is too high to be compatible with other gases, and too low to liquefy. So, we should standardize compressed gas auto fuel storage pressure with liquid propane gas (LPG) at 300psi, then, use LPG, ethanol, or gasoline, only for long trips, and NG for our every day commutes. With a small pump, we could all fill our cars and tractors at home from our own NG/H2 pipeline meter for about a Dollar per gallon gasoline equivalent! When Pickens wants us to do that, I’ll support him, 100%!

Traci


How about financing for cng conversion stations. We're in Oklahoma.

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